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	<title>Comments on: Japanese Voices on Quarter Pounder Line-Hoaxing</title>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://meta.neojaponisme.com/2009/01/30/japanese-voices-on-quarter-pounder-line-hoaxing/comment-page-1/#comment-5264</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the J-Wiki on this topic http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%89%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89#.E5.89.B5.E6.A5.AD.E6.9C.9F
 the infamous Tokyo line included professional &quot;event companions&quot;.

The line for the introduction of the Quarter Pounder at a Midosuji area store in Osaka (&lt;a href=&quot;http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%89%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89#1.2C000.E4.BA.BA.E3.81.AE.E3.82.A2.E3.83.AB.E3.83.90.E3.82.A4.E3.82.BF.E3.83.BC.E3.81.A7.E8.A1.8C.E5.88.97&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;)says that over 1000 people waiting in line were hired from a temp agency, and that if you even subtract ONLY the burgers purchased by the &quot;temps&quot; there would not have been a record made. Not to mention the likely vast numbers of people who waited in the line due to the psychological joining effect of seeing 1000 people already waiting in line for something that simply must be AWESOME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the J-Wiki on this topic <a href="http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%89%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89#.E5.89.B5.E6.A5.AD.E6.9C.9F" rel="nofollow">http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%89%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89#.E5.89.B5.E6.A5.AD.E6.9C.9F</a><br />
 the infamous Tokyo line included professional &#8220;event companions&#8221;.</p>
<p>The line for the introduction of the Quarter Pounder at a Midosuji area store in Osaka (<a href="http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%89%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89#1.2C000.E4.BA.BA.E3.81.AE.E3.82.A2.E3.83.AB.E3.83.90.E3.82.A4.E3.82.BF.E3.83.BC.E3.81.A7.E8.A1.8C.E5.88.97" rel="nofollow">link</a>)says that over 1000 people waiting in line were hired from a temp agency, and that if you even subtract ONLY the burgers purchased by the &#8220;temps&#8221; there would not have been a record made. Not to mention the likely vast numbers of people who waited in the line due to the psychological joining effect of seeing 1000 people already waiting in line for something that simply must be AWESOME.</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>立派な｢右翼による弁明｣だよ

I wonder if the 右 and the 左 got mixed up there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>立派な｢右翼による弁明｣だよ</p>
<p>I wonder if the 右 and the 左 got mixed up there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
		<link>http://meta.neojaponisme.com/2009/01/30/japanese-voices-on-quarter-pounder-line-hoaxing/comment-page-1/#comment-5260</link>
		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main concern is that there may be a lot more crazy than good. There is something to be said for silent majorities.

It also strikes me as interesting how Japanese consumers will tolerate a certain amount of BS with lines and &quot;kohyo hatsubaichu&quot; and stuff like that but support a media frenzy as soon as a certain line is crossed (recent case of a company putting fake photos of &quot;farmers&quot; in with vegetables). In addition, a few food safety issues have popped up back home in the last few months but they elicit neither the outrage, nor the saturation coverage that they do in Japan. The Japanese media / consumer activists are clearly on guard for some things but not others. The difference may be &quot;big corporate&quot; (let&#039;s not bring D####U in this time) but it may also have to do with something that we discussed in a very different context - ghettoized media environments. The media sleeps on young people (who take to the net) but panders to housewives who take any affront to their domestic fortresses of food as a personal attack.

In Japan, I end up watching a whole lot more daytime TV than anything else so I feel constantly bombarded by the fruits of consumer activism and media support of it. Rarely see this after 5pm, however, unless the food problems are criminal. In a similar sense, I almost never see this type of thing in what I read - Bungei, Shukan Asahi, Sekai, etc. - but it is all over the place in the &quot;housewife&quot; magazines that my wife buys and I occasionally browse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main concern is that there may be a lot more crazy than good. There is something to be said for silent majorities.</p>
<p>It also strikes me as interesting how Japanese consumers will tolerate a certain amount of BS with lines and &#8220;kohyo hatsubaichu&#8221; and stuff like that but support a media frenzy as soon as a certain line is crossed (recent case of a company putting fake photos of &#8220;farmers&#8221; in with vegetables). In addition, a few food safety issues have popped up back home in the last few months but they elicit neither the outrage, nor the saturation coverage that they do in Japan. The Japanese media / consumer activists are clearly on guard for some things but not others. The difference may be &#8220;big corporate&#8221; (let&#8217;s not bring D####U in this time) but it may also have to do with something that we discussed in a very different context &#8211; ghettoized media environments. The media sleeps on young people (who take to the net) but panders to housewives who take any affront to their domestic fortresses of food as a personal attack.</p>
<p>In Japan, I end up watching a whole lot more daytime TV than anything else so I feel constantly bombarded by the fruits of consumer activism and media support of it. Rarely see this after 5pm, however, unless the food problems are criminal. In a similar sense, I almost never see this type of thing in what I read &#8211; Bungei, Shukan Asahi, Sekai, etc. &#8211; but it is all over the place in the &#8220;housewife&#8221; magazines that my wife buys and I occasionally browse.</p>
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		<title>By: Kentaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kentaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I agree with you here. There’s always a lot of crazy in with the good.

自分もある意味においてその一員であるという自覚はある？
自国に対する見解だけを抜き出してみれば立派な｢右翼による弁明｣だよ｡</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I agree with you here. There’s always a lot of crazy in with the good.</p>
<p>自分もある意味においてその一員であるという自覚はある？<br />
自国に対する見解だけを抜き出してみれば立派な｢右翼による弁明｣だよ｡</p>
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		<title>By: W. David MARX</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. David MARX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can we really praise the liberating power of the net without looking at how dirty the other side of the coin is?&lt;/i&gt;

No, I agree with you here. There&#039;s always a lot of crazy in with the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can we really praise the liberating power of the net without looking at how dirty the other side of the coin is?</i></p>
<p>No, I agree with you here. There&#8217;s always a lot of crazy in with the good.</p>
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		<title>By: M-Bone</title>
		<link>http://meta.neojaponisme.com/2009/01/30/japanese-voices-on-quarter-pounder-line-hoaxing/comment-page-1/#comment-5253</link>
		<dc:creator>M-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the major Neomarxisme counter-point was that Japanese TV viewers don&#039;t mind being lied to on wideshows and are often in on the jokes. 

Of course, isn&#039;t it often the same people who end up writing online about McScams and &quot;how the Asahi is brainwashing us&quot; and things like that? Can we really praise the liberating power of the net without looking at how dirty the other side of the coin is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the major Neomarxisme counter-point was that Japanese TV viewers don&#8217;t mind being lied to on wideshows and are often in on the jokes. </p>
<p>Of course, isn&#8217;t it often the same people who end up writing online about McScams and &#8220;how the Asahi is brainwashing us&#8221; and things like that? Can we really praise the liberating power of the net without looking at how dirty the other side of the coin is?</p>
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		<title>By: Kentaro</title>
		<link>http://meta.neojaponisme.com/2009/01/30/japanese-voices-on-quarter-pounder-line-hoaxing/comment-page-1/#comment-5252</link>
		<dc:creator>Kentaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>日本に対する観察自体ではなく､欧米との比較の点で問題があるということじゃないかな､あなたが批判されている点は｡

都合の良い｢絶対的基準｣を設けて､｢お前はケチだがオレは倹約家だ｣といっているようなもの｡</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>日本に対する観察自体ではなく､欧米との比較の点で問題があるということじゃないかな､あなたが批判されている点は｡</p>
<p>都合の良い｢絶対的基準｣を設けて､｢お前はケチだがオレは倹約家だ｣といっているようなもの｡</p>
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		<title>By: Mulboyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulboyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adamu, you might want to mark any Uratan links as NSFW in the future. That McD&#039;s item is uncontroversial but a lot of the site is soft porn content or harder. Uratan is specifically blocked by some company filters so it probably isn&#039;t one people want cropping up regularly in their archives at work even if the IT dept hasn&#039;t got around to banning it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adamu, you might want to mark any Uratan links as NSFW in the future. That McD&#8217;s item is uncontroversial but a lot of the site is soft porn content or harder. Uratan is specifically blocked by some company filters so it probably isn&#8217;t one people want cropping up regularly in their archives at work even if the IT dept hasn&#8217;t got around to banning it.</p>
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		<title>By: W. David MARX</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. David MARX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this is a holdover from the old Neomarxisme days, but I have this feeling that there are people out there who believe that &quot;the Japanese like being jerked around and lied to by their companies&quot; — as if the whole complaint from me was some crooked Western perspective.

If anything, Global Voices Online kind of nips that in the bud: *surprise* Japanese consumers don&#039;t like being lied to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this is a holdover from the old Neomarxisme days, but I have this feeling that there are people out there who believe that &#8220;the Japanese like being jerked around and lied to by their companies&#8221; — as if the whole complaint from me was some crooked Western perspective.</p>
<p>If anything, Global Voices Online kind of nips that in the bud: *surprise* Japanese consumers don&#8217;t like being lied to.</p>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone inundated with &quot;free markets go hand in hand with free societies&quot; type propaganda, I had always figured that moneyed, empowered and active consumers ended up benefitting both themselves and the businesses that serve them. But I am starting to see how naive that is, and perhaps Naomi Klein&#039;s vision of Chinese-style repression-based consumerism is closer to where we are headed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone inundated with &#8220;free markets go hand in hand with free societies&#8221; type propaganda, I had always figured that moneyed, empowered and active consumers ended up benefitting both themselves and the businesses that serve them. But I am starting to see how naive that is, and perhaps Naomi Klein&#8217;s vision of Chinese-style repression-based consumerism is closer to where we are headed!</p>
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